Living in fear is no good to anyone.

An excerpt from Would Jesus Vote Republican?:
The humanists seem to think that Christianity is so naturally offensive it needs to be excluded from areas of public life.

I roughly agree with this one. I'm trying to expand on this well, but I'm having a hard time explaining myself in clear language.

I like a lot of the Christian beliefs. I don't agree with them for the reasons Christians do, but I agree with them. An example is murder. I think murdering someone is bad. But I think it is bad because it infringes on the right to freedom the victim has, not because killing is wrong in some basic way. The victim has the right to make their own choices, and by killing them, the killer has made a choice which is almost definitely against the victim's will.

The freedom I just mentioned is something that doesn't really jive with Christianity. A lot of the choices people make "offend god". Being gay is a good example. I think people choose to be gay. They choose to be gay because the neurochemistry they ended up with says that being gay is one of the things that makes them happy, but I think it is still a choice. If they wanted to be miserable and not gay, they can still make the choice.

I also very strongly believe that life is not sacred in any way. I think that the emphasis on the "life is sacred" thing by many Christians has helped create a divide in our country that is never going to be recovered.
All things that have been alive have died. All things that are alive will die. All things not yet alive will eventually die. What makes this sacred? Nothing.

I think that something does need to exist as a set of morals for the cows to be indoctrinated with for the benefit of the rest of us, but I think that it's being Christianity is damaging to humanity as a whole.

I bet a lot of you are going to post angry comments. Bring it.

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I read your last sentence hoping I could get very, very angry.

But I can pretty much see where you're coming from. I think it's a very narrow worldview and, really, is true of all religions ever, so limiting it to Christianity is rather pointless Christian hating, but it's also true in many respects.

No anger here.

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nokuren on 2005-2-15 at 0818GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

I worship my own religion. I've developed its credo; I've worked-out the philosophy and basically, it revolves around me. Of course, this is a over-generalization and over-simplification, but if you combine the above with the fact that I do not believe in a deity as it is ordinarily defined; You've got a basic idea from where, I'm coming.

With that said and all the caveats in place, I can't paint "Christianity" with such a broad brush. Perhaps, both you and I have a problem with conservative orthodoxy in all religions, literal translations of ancient texts and the modern evangelical movements. But, I can think of leaders within all religious systems, whom I admire for one reason or another and others, I consider friends or whom I have studied for my own education.

discreet_chaos on 2005-2-15 at 0921GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

YOU GODLESS HEATHEN! YOU ARE GOING TO BURN IN HELL!

You are a cum sucking pistule of filth. You blow Donkeys. You blow GAY donkeys! YOU BLOW GAY DONKEYS FOR CASH SO THAT

houdini_cs CAN WATCH!

At this point, I should admit that I read the first sentance, decided I didn't want to see yet another rehash, so I skipped to the very last sentance to see if it had changed topic. If it had, I was gonna read backwards until I came to the Jesus thing again, then stop. Since the last sentance was "Bring it" I felt I should. :)

schlake on 2005-2-15 at 1337GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

I believe the correct response to that is

Hey! I've never watched... well, only that once... hey, it was college! Experimentation, that sort of thing!

Christian rules tend to boil down to "because God said so." Why did this post remind me of my George Carlin CD? George Carlin rocks!

Who did you plan on offending from your friends? Because I basically agree.

stubberella on 2005-2-15 at 1527GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

The answer to your question might be me? but I'm not offended or really have anything to say about it.

silentchapel would definitely have something to say about it if he read it.
God and spirituality/religion has its uses. Unfortunatly, most of them are bad or become bad.
I think its alot more complicated than, "I blew a gay donkey for cash so now I'm going to hell" haha.

You blew a gay donkey? =)

I was refering to schlake's comment on this post. [insert lame joke about blowing a guy with a big cock here]. haha

I think that something does need to exist as a set of morals for the cows to be indoctrinated with for the benefit of the rest of us, but I think that it's being Christianity is damaging to humanity as a whole

Thats why I became Jewish. Reform Judiasm is liberal and well I found out that I believed in more of their beliefs then christian beliefs.

sweetanniehi on 2005-2-15 at 1936GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

You get 100% agreement from me - in fact, I'd go further and change that first statement to Christianity is so naturally offensive it needs to be excluded, period.

Bulfinch's Mythology begins, "The religions of ancient Greece and Rome are extinct. The so-called divinities of Olympus have not a single worshipper among living men. They belong now not to the department of theology, but to those of literature and taste." That is where I'd like Christianity to be. Hopefully, given another five hundred years or so, we'll have found something of greater merit to occupy our literature and taste, as well.

greyvorfeed on 2005-2-15 at 2333GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

I replied to this in bulk.

fusiongyro on 2005-2-16 at 0448GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

I've also expanded on my comments and have posted them to my own journal. You did the meme that included "stirring-up trouble" and apparently, I'm unwittingly working toward another portion of that same form.

discreet_chaos on 2005-2-16 at 1021GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply

I think it's Christians and not Christianity that's to blame for all the mess-up. Christianity itself is overall a very beautiful religion. Pity people just knock away 90% of it and just claim they're Christians, when they're not.

*sighs* But yeah. I mostly agree with your post. I think the whole 'life is sacred' thing stems from the fact that we can explain why people die. But we can't really explain why people life. The mysterious has always struck a chord in people.

I can see the whole "being gay is a choice" in your explanation of it. That makes sense. Still doesn't help with people against homosexuals though. *sigh* Oh well. Maybe with time, people will either all die, or get sense knocked into them. I'm trying to decide which is better at the moment.

feye_morgan on 2005-2-16 at 1633GMT | Link | Thread | Expand | Reply